Tony and guest host Phil Gadzinski talk to Alistair Cockburn for a brief overview and understanding about the Heart of Agile (and the link to how it all started in Australia):
- Scrum training had turned into training wheels and consistency – wanted to get back to the essence of Agile
- Progression from shu (follow techniques), ha (collect techniques) and ri (fluency) – wanted to move to a fourth stage – kokoro (heart or essence of being a samurai – master the basics)
- Collaborate, Deliver, Reflect, Improve – simple and direct, just do this and you will get all the benefits out of Agile
- Normally you start with collaborate (because it’s the easiest and most obvious place to start) but there is no real starting point
- Deliver is misunderstood – forget software and product, we are delivering decisions, it is the molecule of our work, every decision needs to see the harsh light of day so we can find the bad decisions early
- What is the smallest that we could expose to review to try and correct decisions early before we build too much (directional decisions)
- Create a culture of listening
This interview was originally recorded as a video for the Agile Brisbane meetup.
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The Agile Revolution Podcast 
Waiting for Alistair, et al, to get beyond agile method/decision to agile deployed systems.
I really enjoyed the session, and great to hear Alistair again and the Heart of Agile. I resonated with his talk when he was mentioning about 300 trainers and 800 000 CMSs around the world, I did an episode on Agile Certifications that I talked many bodies of certifications we have, and it is becoming a little bit ridiculous at this point https://podcast.leanonagile.com/2019/12/episode-1-agile-certifications.html
I really enjoyed the session, and great to hear Alistair again and the Heart of Agile. I resonated with his talk when he was mentioning about 300 trainers and 800 000 CMSs around the world, I did an episode on Agile Certifications that I talked many bodies of certifications we have, and it is becoming a little bit ridiculous at this point https://podcast.leanonagile.com/2019/12/episode-1-agile-certifications.html
Concise and salient explanation of the essence of the Heart of Agile – thank you for conducting the interview and posting it. Decisions as the atomic particle that is integral to product development is a refreshing new approach.